On Ethics and Morals –– The Long Version
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intraspectiveOn Ethics and Morals –- The Long Version
This mostly applies to Ino as Hinata as had far too much experience in learning very quickly what not to say/appear to think in certain situations. However, if pushed far enough Hinata shares the same ethical and moral background as Ino and so, this counts for both of them though I really only expect it to come up with Ino, honestly, with any frequency
They don't think the way people with 21st Century morals and ethics do. Their world is harsh and their ethics and morals are correspondingly harsh. They've been trained since really young to kill people and to think that killing people is okay if you do it for your village. Applauded even. It's a world where kids as young as six can be on the front lines. (Average age is twelve, mind. But it is possible and no one sees this as a problem in their world.)
Their world has no social services—no social workers, no unemployment contingencies, no police (that, though, is something specific to Ino and Hinata's village—other places do, in fact, have police; theirs justgot murdered died and no one bothered replacing them)—I could go on.
But the end result is that they don't think the way they do because their world doesn't value the same things and because ethics and morals aren't in-born, but are something you're raised with. This is what they were raised with. This is what influences their reactions to this world.
Both Ino and Hinata have empathy issues up the wall. Ino’s are more blatant in every day interaction, whereas Hinata's come into play when the situation gets serious. They have a lot of difficulty caring about things that don’t directly affect them or their friends (because canon is so so messed up), and Ino, while she’s clever enough to pick up on the fact that sometimes she really ought to shut up won’t—Hinata will, because well, Hinata is a lot more used to bowing to social pressure.
The main difference between them (other than those things like personality, and looks, and such) is the way they express their issues.
Hinata's a mouse—she's cute, quiet, and really very very nice. Also very shy. This will not change unless: she's on a mission/protecting someone. Then she's cruelly efficient and deadly. Her empathy issues are very disconnected from her everyday life, in a sense, because of the way she's learnt to handle things.
Hinata's an emotional liar, when it comes to things like that. She will and does sacrifice honesty in exchange for keeping the peace. Hinata likes peace and will maintain it even if being deliberately confronted.
Ino, on the other hand (remember how I said that Ino was the important one here?), is a live wire. If your character says she's evil? She will get angry. She will snap back. She will absolutely and completely shut down and never listen to a word your character is saying, no matter what points they are raising. In direct contrast to Hinata (who hides in her shell and smiles and lets no one know her own opinion on morals/ethics), Ino is very deliberately a contrarian.
If she's told she's bad for what she's thinking, she will flaunt her moral and ethical differences. She will do so as often as possible and will blatantly ignore the fact that this makes her look worse because she figures that if Fandom is so open-minded then they have to deal with her the way she is. Ino will exploit this. She will get up in a character's face about it, if they prod her sore spots. She will complain at everyone assuming that everyone believes in the same thing when it comes to ethics and morals. She will be brutally and horrifically honest about her thoughts and feelings because she figures that if people get to call her a monster? Then she gets to make them as uncomfortable as possible about it.
In short: Ino scoffs at peace and will break it, with great deliberateness, if she feels that she's being insulted just for coming from a different world where things are very very different.
(Ino sucks at fitting in, guys. Hinata excels at it.)
How This Concerns Other People:
I like playing with these issues, no lie. I have no problems with either Ino or Hinata being talked to about them out of the blue (though, word of advice, Hinata will evade and not-answer with everything she's got).
If however, you'd like your character to argue/fight with either of them (not talk, or discuss, mind, but argue/fight with them—anything hostile, in short) I'd like OOC notice beforehand. I will probably be good with it, in full honesty, but I would like warning because those fights can be draining and very character-bleedovery if I don't know what's being sprung on them beforehand.
But I Don't Want To Deal With The Ethics/Moral Deal?
Then don't! Easy as that, I swear. You can either let me know here, or via e-mail or what-have-you and if our characters talk, dancing around these issues is easy in everyday normal conversation. I'm easy for this—and totally don't want to make anyone else uncomfortable by having them play off of something they don't want to deal with.
Just let me know if you're not good with it, and I will absolutely keep that in mind. (Or you can avoid my characters, but that is a sad and sorry fate here when interaction is shiiiiny-awesome.)
This mostly applies to Ino as Hinata as had far too much experience in learning very quickly what not to say/appear to think in certain situations. However, if pushed far enough Hinata shares the same ethical and moral background as Ino and so, this counts for both of them though I really only expect it to come up with Ino, honestly, with any frequency
They don't think the way people with 21st Century morals and ethics do. Their world is harsh and their ethics and morals are correspondingly harsh. They've been trained since really young to kill people and to think that killing people is okay if you do it for your village. Applauded even. It's a world where kids as young as six can be on the front lines. (Average age is twelve, mind. But it is possible and no one sees this as a problem in their world.)
Their world has no social services—no social workers, no unemployment contingencies, no police (that, though, is something specific to Ino and Hinata's village—other places do, in fact, have police; theirs just
But the end result is that they don't think the way they do because their world doesn't value the same things and because ethics and morals aren't in-born, but are something you're raised with. This is what they were raised with. This is what influences their reactions to this world.
Both Ino and Hinata have empathy issues up the wall. Ino’s are more blatant in every day interaction, whereas Hinata's come into play when the situation gets serious. They have a lot of difficulty caring about things that don’t directly affect them or their friends (because canon is so so messed up), and Ino, while she’s clever enough to pick up on the fact that sometimes she really ought to shut up won’t—Hinata will, because well, Hinata is a lot more used to bowing to social pressure.
The main difference between them (other than those things like personality, and looks, and such) is the way they express their issues.
Hinata's a mouse—she's cute, quiet, and really very very nice. Also very shy. This will not change unless: she's on a mission/protecting someone. Then she's cruelly efficient and deadly. Her empathy issues are very disconnected from her everyday life, in a sense, because of the way she's learnt to handle things.
Hinata's an emotional liar, when it comes to things like that. She will and does sacrifice honesty in exchange for keeping the peace. Hinata likes peace and will maintain it even if being deliberately confronted.
Ino, on the other hand (remember how I said that Ino was the important one here?), is a live wire. If your character says she's evil? She will get angry. She will snap back. She will absolutely and completely shut down and never listen to a word your character is saying, no matter what points they are raising. In direct contrast to Hinata (who hides in her shell and smiles and lets no one know her own opinion on morals/ethics), Ino is very deliberately a contrarian.
If she's told she's bad for what she's thinking, she will flaunt her moral and ethical differences. She will do so as often as possible and will blatantly ignore the fact that this makes her look worse because she figures that if Fandom is so open-minded then they have to deal with her the way she is. Ino will exploit this. She will get up in a character's face about it, if they prod her sore spots. She will complain at everyone assuming that everyone believes in the same thing when it comes to ethics and morals. She will be brutally and horrifically honest about her thoughts and feelings because she figures that if people get to call her a monster? Then she gets to make them as uncomfortable as possible about it.
In short: Ino scoffs at peace and will break it, with great deliberateness, if she feels that she's being insulted just for coming from a different world where things are very very different.
(Ino sucks at fitting in, guys. Hinata excels at it.)
How This Concerns Other People:
I like playing with these issues, no lie. I have no problems with either Ino or Hinata being talked to about them out of the blue (though, word of advice, Hinata will evade and not-answer with everything she's got).
If however, you'd like your character to argue/fight with either of them (not talk, or discuss, mind, but argue/fight with them—anything hostile, in short) I'd like OOC notice beforehand. I will probably be good with it, in full honesty, but I would like warning because those fights can be draining and very character-bleedovery if I don't know what's being sprung on them beforehand.
But I Don't Want To Deal With The Ethics/Moral Deal?
Then don't! Easy as that, I swear. You can either let me know here, or via e-mail or what-have-you and if our characters talk, dancing around these issues is easy in everyday normal conversation. I'm easy for this—and totally don't want to make anyone else uncomfortable by having them play off of something they don't want to deal with.
Just let me know if you're not good with it, and I will absolutely keep that in mind. (Or you can avoid my characters, but that is a sad and sorry fate here when interaction is shiiiiny-awesome.)
